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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7380	Posted - 2013.12.11 01:51:00 - [1] - Quote 1.7 is here, the AR and SCR got a range buff, and the rail rifle is now the king of ranged combat aside from the sniper rifle. The laser rifle has lost its already questionable niche. Problems with the laser rifle Low damage up close, then it gets good, then it gets crappy again. The band of effective range on the laser beam is only 66-88 meters, that's only a 23 meter effective range. Basically this weapon is only good for only a specific 23 meters, otherwise it sucks. Its also just counter-intuitive that a gun would do less damage up close; sure you can say its because of the focus on the laser's lenses, but it makes no sense why the lenses wouldn't already be focused. Even when in its optimal or effective range, the rail rifles can still dominate the laser rifle users with their range. A rail rifle's range can be from 85 to 102 meters depending on the tier. An advanced or prototype rail rifle has the range advantage over a laser rifle. Unlike the laser rifle, the rail rifle doesn't suddenly start doing less damage at close ranges. Overheat damage increments with tier. This is just terrible, higher tier weapons are suppose to be better than their lower tier predecessors, not just better in some ways but worse in some ways. Overheat damage needs to be the same for all tiers, or should get lower as the tier increases. Solutions Make the optimal range start from 0 meters like any other gun. This will make the laser rifle actually not worthless in close range, and allow it to be useful for more than just a short 23 meters of distance. You may be thinking "but the laser rifle is meant to be for mid-long range", but so is the sniper rifle, but shots do full damage if you can hit the target at close range. The base damage can also be lowered if needed. Obviously the range thing would be a huge buff, and might make the laser rifle OP. To balance it, damage buildup should not be based on how long the laser has fired, but how long it has been hitting the target. The longer you hit the target, the more damage should increase. The heat buildup on the target should decrease slowly when the laser stops hitting it, but should not automatically reset. It will reward precise aiming skill, and also makes sense because the laser should be heating up the enemy's from continuous fire. Standardize overheat feedback damage, or reduce the feedback damage as the tier increases. Higher tier weapons should not perform worse in any way to their standard counterparts. Save the laser rifle. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7495	Posted - 2013.12.16 14:46:00 - [2] - Quote Fix it Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7562	Posted - 2013.12.21 08:38:00 - [3] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: It's tragic what has happened to the gentleman's weapon, it's been rendered useless twice now. Tried to use it last night just to see if it really was UP and I was getting crushed by RR's left and right. I was actually thinking earlier today that if the Amarr scout isn't in 1.8 I might get my Caldari Assault to proto next instead of Amarr because the LR is so useless now. That was a depressing thought. I'd like to keep the same damage increase mechanic too. That's what makes it unique. There definitely needs to be a damage and range progression with tiers along with an across-the-board increase in damage and range. The beta viziam was only (ok, mostly) OP because there were no other long-range weapons. The RR and newly range-buffed ScR and AR have obliterated that. The massive dropoff at the end of the optimal for what is supposed to be a long range weapon has always been kinda ridiculous, too. Part of why both I and Wolf would love to see the damage increase tied to the time the beam is on the target is because that would allow the range on the weapon to be opened up to far more than it is now without resulting in bitching about it being overpowered. A skilled user could still easily keep the beam on their target and build up heat on the target's suit to kill them. Personally, I'd love to have the weapon have a smooth falloff curve out to a very long extreme range, meaning that longer range shots require the beam to be on the target longer, and thus balancing out its range capability. That totally changes the mechanics of using the weapon. That's no fun! The whole "oh dear look how terrible my aim is, I sure do suck at Dust... aaand now I just ninja melted you and 2 of your buddies faces, thanks for playing" is seriously the greatest tactic of all time. A close second is leading people until they basically clothesline themselves on your beam. God damn I love that. Time on target would actually make it LESS useful because you couldn't really engage multiple targets as effectively as you can they way it is now. The increased viable range would make up for not being able to engage multiple targets. I guess it would be cool to have a variant of the laser rifle have damage build up on the beam instead of the person. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7675	Posted - 2013.12.30 10:29:00 - [4] - Quote Fix it! Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7820	Posted - 2014.01.06 18:10:00 - [5] - Quote Jooki Chewaka wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Problems with the laser rifle Low damage up close, then it gets good, then it gets crappy again. The band of effective range on the laser beam is only 66-88 meters, that's only a 23 meter effective range. Basically this weapon is only good for only a specific 23 meters, otherwise it sucks. Its also just counter-intuitive that a gun would do less damage up close; sure you can say its because of the focus on the laser's lenses, but it makes no sense why the lenses wouldn't already be focused. Even when in its optimal or effective range, the rail rifles can still dominate the laser rifle users with their range. A rail rifle's range can be from 85 to 102 meters depending on the tier. An advanced or prototype rail rifle has the range advantage over a laser rifle. Unlike the laser rifle, the rail rifle doesn't suddenly start doing less damage at close ranges. Overheat damage increments with tier. This is just terrible, higher tier weapons are suppose to be better than their lower tier predecessors, not just better in some ways but worse in some ways. Overheat damage needs to be the same for all tiers, or should get lower as the tier increases. Solutions Make the optimal range start from 0 meters like any other gun. This will make the laser rifle actually not worthless in close range, and allow it to be useful for more than just a short 23 meters of distance. You may be thinking "but the laser rifle is meant to be for mid-long range", but so is the sniper rifle, but shots do full damage if you can hit the target at close range. The base damage can also be lowered if needed. Agreed to all KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Obviously the range thing would be a huge buff, and might make the laser rifle OP. To balance it, damage buildup should not be based on how long the laser has fired, but how long it has been hitting the target. The longer you hit the target, the more damage should increase. The heat buildup on the target should decrease slowly when the laser stops hitting it, but should not automatically reset. It will reward precise aiming skill, and also makes sense because the laser should be heating up the enemy's from continuous fire. This makes no sense, why should the weapon stop building up heat when its not hitting the target? Why dont instead make that at close range it does 60% of its damage? KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Standardize overheat feedback damage, or reduce the feedback damage as the tier increases. Higher tier weapons should not perform worse in any way to their standard counterparts. Youre overlooking that the highger tier lasers build less heat per second, but they don't do more damage, so the more damage feedback makes no sense, i think that the solution would be thgat higher tiers do same damage at all tiers, but build up less over time. Another thing thats bugging me its the need to reload, so heres the thing, its energy right? so basically what we are replacing are batteries, the handicap the laser has is that one must stop shooting, because the weapon has overheated or to avoid it, then why dont they make that one doesnt need to reload? we still have to stop shooting at a given time, i say this because, the handicap of the overheat its MUCH bigger than the 0.25 load time of the rail rifle. I think you misunderstand, heat buildup would be the same whether or not the laser is heating the target, but damage buildup should only happen on the target, and the damage buildup that happened on the target (from heating the dropsuit with the lasert) should start going back down when the laser is no longer hitting it. I realized I phrased it in a confusing way, I will fix it. I am aware of the less heat buildup per level, but one positive does not justify a negative. Higher tier version of the same weapons are ALWAYS better than the lower tier ones in performance, the laser rifle is the only one where the higher tier ones must pay with a performance con for a pro. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8229	Posted - 2014.01.20 21:44:00 - [6] - Quote Fix it! Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8229	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:48:00 - [7] - Quote Lonewolf Heavy wrote: Can't remember which dev, but one of them said Laser rifle is getting a hotfix this week He also said they'd hotfix to add WP for damaging vehicles; still waiting on that. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8230	Posted - 2014.01.21 01:02:00 - [8] - Quote Lonewolf Heavy wrote: they said that one less then a week ago so yea The WP for vehicle damage one was said back in December. Perhaps its something that can't be hotfixed. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+

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